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Posted by Paleface on February 24, 2024 at 20:57:33 EST in reply to that doesn't explain it! (n/t) from exodus.

It doesn't?

I want to keep it legit, I think that's most of it.

You don't offer the free download option for your games on itch; would people copying your games for free bother you? (Incidentally, I think you should offer the free download option. Not that I actually know how money works.)

It's also possibly useful in that it limits me whereas otherwise I would probably drive myself crazy trying to sift through untold thousands of arcade games and so on; like, back when I had way more games, before I moved five years ago, all those unplayed games were kind of bumming me out. I'd like to be able to narrow things down to the games I really like and could actually spend time getting good at. That might be part of it.

Uh I think I had some other thing about it and now it's escaped me, ah well.

Oh, I guess it was that I want to support game developers and I worry that if I let myself just access whatever games for free, I'd start to think, even just subconsciously, well why should I pay for games, I've got all these tried-and-tested old ones I still haven't even played and I'd end up not supporting current developers as much. It seems like it could easily end up being a slippery slope for me and I'd rather just steer clear altogether.

I did say it was all pretty silly.

Possibly also the thrill of the hunt and showing off a physical collection are factors, although I'm not sure how much since I do love it when a publisher like sells a ROM for cheap in a weakly packaged emulator.

(Paleface)

(14:15:37 02/25/24 EST)

The thing about your level of obedience to copyright is that it’s as retro as the games and you’re the only one who has it. The people who actually code and create this stuff do not care if you jack it 20 years later and there is no way to “support” the creators so after the fact. A large number of them are dead from old age or working for someone else and the company has been re-established a half dozen times…currently in the hands of an evil king who frankly should not be supported in any way. My biggest question wouldn’t be “Why do you insist on dumping only what own?” but rather “What’s the point of dumping what you own when YOU OWN IT and can just play the OG?”?

(SignOfZeta)

(14:44:06 02/26/24 EST)

I like having the games on the big bright screen. : ) Plus it's way better for screenshots and recording. Was finding Mednafen's fast forward hotkey quite handy for Faselei!, too. ; D And yep, don't buy any MBS SNK stuff!

(Paleface)

(18:46:20 02/26/24 EST)

And it's great to be able to use the translation patches for Unitron 2, CFC2, and Rockman B&F. : )

(Paleface)

(18:49:47 02/26/24 EST)

Various screenshots (Mednafen emulation): FF: 1st Contact, Kikou Seiki Unitron, KOF: BdP (;P), Dynamite Slugger, Neo Geo Cup '98 Plus Color (;P),

(Paleface)

(18:56:53 02/26/24 EST)

The 105 character screens shown in the Puzzle Link 2 intro. The smaller ones show for 2 frames each.

(Paleface)

(20:50:06 02/27/24 EST)

these certainly are cute!

(exodus)

(17:56:33 03/04/24 EST)

…but you can do all of this with identical ROMs dumped already by someone else. Everything you’re dumping has already been dumped and possession of those ROMs is exactly as legal/illegal regardless of who dumped them. Over on the Laserdisc forum we see a similar thing. So many people filling piles of hard drives with captures of ultra common Hollywood stuff you can buy on Blu-ray for $7. The scene seems divided between people who don’t see any sense if it at all and those who see it as the most logical thing in the world. Making copies of things just entertains people, I guess.

(SignOfZeta)

(11:55:14 03/01/24 EST)

Yeah probably. ^ D^ Anyway, you asked about using ROMs when I already have the physical stuff--at least, that's what I thought you meant--so that's what my answer there was specifically attempting to address.

(Paleface)

(20:49:18 03/01/24 EST)

You really know how to talk in circles…you’re dumping games to emulate them. Ok. Why not play games someone else dumped? Because it’s not ethical. So you buy the games? No, Satan owns them. So you don’t buy the games? I think “I like to copy stuff from one format to another all day” is the most accurate and honest answer. It doesn’t make a lot of sense but it’s not completely illogical.

(SignOfZeta)

(15:54:48 03/05/24 EST)

I stopped buying new stuff from SNK when MBS bought them. I think I probably wouldn't buy like physical discs of post-MBS SNK stuff even used since I dunno I would feel like that's still supporting the product in some way. I think I would be okay buying used pre-MBS stuff, but I haven't had to do that since I already had all the stuff I was after.

(Paleface)

(19:04:10 03/05/24 EST)

To put it a little more simply: I don't buy the stuff SNK is putting out now. The carts I dumped are carts I've had for over two decades.

(Paleface)

(19:24:19 03/05/24 EST)

it still doesn't make sense because if you aren't worried about supporting them and in fact can't ethically support them why not just use the roms that exist? the only thing can figure is you love copying stuff over! it's just a very mystifying thing otherwise.

(exodus)

(19:41:26 03/07/24 EST)

Well, in theory they could somehow shake whatsisname off some day and be cool again. Anyway, whatever their status, I don't feel like there's a legit excuse in there for me to turn to CRIME ; D just to play some games they made. There are always going to be plenty of games I can play that don't require theft, so I might as well play those instead.

(Paleface)

(13:54:09 03/08/24 EST)

right, I guess the key is that this isn't crime, but that's probably where we diverge!

(exodus)

(18:53:43 03/11/24 EST)

It reminds me of an old movie where they find a buried treasure and it turns out to be confederate money from the Civil War that was once a fortune that isn’t worth a broke dink anymore now that everyone who made it and everything it stood for has gone. These are all concerns for another era that will never come again.

(SignOfZeta)

(16:31:04 03/12/24 EST)

I believe that's an episode of Scooby Doo you're telling us about, Chad. I also believe that old Confederate currency has a pretty high value on the collector's market, which only goes to show that there's no accounting for people so don't insist on a logical explanation for what they do.

(One To Grow On and Opa Opa)

(21:03:49 03/12/24 EST)

It is an episode of Scooby Doo. It was also in The Dukes of Hazzard but before it was in many other things…Scooby Doo/Dukes not being things known for an original take very often. This was a useful evolution on the “confederate gold” plot device of movies going back…to the dawn of film, nearly. Confederate money/gold was almost as popular as quicksand. If its currency it can be instantly rendered worthless unlike actual gold. Either way, it’s hanging on to a dead idea in a vacuum.

(SignOfZeta)

(15:51:51 03/14/24 EST)

(Oh hey I did buy a used NGPC to extract the cart slot so yeah I guess buying used pre-MGS stuff doesn't bother me.)

(Paleface)

(19:31:27 03/05/24 EST)

The 12 b&w screens you get from MotM in a NGP:

(Paleface)

(04:07:33 03/03/24 EST)

yeah, I love these! I always felt the zangief one was a bit of a space filler though

(exodus)

(18:10:31 03/14/24 EST)

also shermie-morrigan's super long arm remains mildly disturbing to me

(exodus)

(18:11:39 03/14/24 EST)

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